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"I used to work for Sam Smiths"
« on: Mar 11 - 2009 »
Inspired by a suggestion from our Mr Zak, this thread has been created especially for those who used to work for the brewery, in any capacity - be it Management, or even at Taddy Towers.

If you are an ex-sams person, then why not let us know about your departure.

Were you made redundant, or did you escape before things got out of hand?

Maybe you've moved on to greener pastures? Or are you missing your former employment?

Let us know here..
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Re: "I used to work for Sam Smiths"
« Reply #1 on: Mar 12 - 2009 »
well, i used to work for sam smiths, in fact for 7 years. and when i started they were a great company to work for, that was in 2000, had a great area manager called mike mayer, they had a great training programme, but i had already been through training with marstons, which was great too, so wasnt wet behind the ears when started with sams, and run a lovely pub for them for 6 years which was the barleycorn in scholes. you never saw humph ,that was when they were normal and you could get on with doing your job and not worrying about staff hours or cleaning budgets or tv or music or the right food for the right pub because we all knew what we were doing.

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« Reply #2 on: Mar 12 - 2009 »
I worked for Sams for 3 years. I was just a barmaid but I took the course in Tadcaster to become an in-house relief (at my own expense of course). I left just under a year ago and am fortunate to have a good job within the local government now. I loved working in the pub. The hours suited me fine, I had terrific manager bosses, it was a friendly pub and we took great pride in the place.

In the Summer the beer garden was a mass of flowers (before he scrapped the garden budget of course), and with the lovely umbrellas it had a continental seaside atmosphere. It was always packed with diners, the majority from local offices who would call in for a baguette at lunch time. The kitchen had one of the highest food hygiene standards in the city. And then Humphrey brought his axe down. As the only full time member of staff I was cut back to 8 hours a week. My bosses started doing a minimum of 90 hours each a week and you could see the strain on their faces. Just how thin were you supposed to spread yourself? They were getting up at the crack of dawn to clean and going to bed well after midnight. Even their days off stopped. The pub was too busy for one member of bar-staff and there weren't enough hours for two so they took up the slack.

On one occasion when they did take their evening off things got so busy ex bar-staff and customers were having to help out free-gratis. When eventually the strain became too much they made the decision to leave which I was devastated about. Humphrey could not find replacement managers for love nor money (obviously word had got out). He even put a postcard in the local post-office window advertising for managers! How cheap is that! Eventually he decided to remove the stock and shut the place down. At the 11th hour a relief was found - a single "older" person with another pub to run. How ridiculous was that? And it was Easter Weekend. Needless to say the running of the pub was left to us bar-staff who put in extra hours for no extra pay.

I used to drive to the pub in the morning to let the dray in, sometimes waiting for hours because they'd been delayed somewhere. I'd get to work at 6, let myself in as the "manager" was at the other pub, do all my checks before I opened up only to find (and this did happen) that there was next to no OBB in the barrell and there wasn't another on the gantry! I had to get customers to manoeuvre one into place. Fortunately they were too polite to moan about cloudy beer! I'd lock up at night, go home shattered as it'd taken me 'til past midnight to clean up (and I only got paid til 11.30) and I'd get phone calls at 2am asking if I'd remembered to shut a window upstairs!

I was glad when that came to an end. But this is all stuff that Humf never saw. Yep, the pub ran smoothly because he'd got staff, managers, ex-staff and customers working for free!! The pub then got permanent managers in and I stuck it for a few more weeks. Without the hours there is no way you can keep the cleanliness/ hygiene standards up. With two of us behind the bar we were always cleaning the glass shelves/ optics etc but with one person it just wasn't possible. I have never seen standards slip as fast as they did there. There were constant clouds of bar flies round the beer pumps and some of the optics, and once or twice I had to flick a cock-roach off the bar. The toilets stank. The cleaner always did a thorough job but obviously she suffered with the cutbacks. I don't think the managers cleaned them that often. The carpets became black and sticky and the pub started to look and smell dirty.

The food trade just died. Who in their right mind was going to pay ?5.95 for a small portion of microwave curry and rice? Eventually after trying to cram 30 hours work into 8 I decided enough was enough and quit. To be honest I was embarrassed to work there anymore. The place started to look like a run down working mens club. I've been up twice socially since Christmas and both times I had to listen to customers saying how bad it was now. Oh yes, Humphrey may well be saving money cutting back the hours but it's a false economy. To be quite honest I don't know how the pub has escaped being shut down by Environmental Health. No person in his right mind could possibly do something as drastic as he has done and expect things to carry on as normal. God only knows how much he's wiped off the value of the company and how much revenue he's lost/ losing. But I can say this with absolute conviction. I'm bloody glad I don't work for him any more.  >:( >:(
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Re: "I used to work for Sam Smiths"
« Reply #3 on: Mar 13 - 2009 »
hear, hear,i say, i can only just start talking about what i went through, 2 painful and makes me feel quite ill, but we must not let them get away with it any longer

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« Reply #4 on: Mar 13 - 2009 »
I'm fortunate I was only a bar-maid, and when I made the break from the place that was it. No lasting damage. But my ex bosses (and still good friends) who left whilst I was there had to fight tooth and nail to get their bond back (and they still didn't get it all). Apparently they hadn't hit the food GP so they lost some of their money. How on earth could you hit your GP selling that frozen muck?! Totally unfair. As far as I know the freezers are still full of that frozen crap, and it's probably all out of date now. We couldn't give it away when I worked there! No doubt the managers will have to foot the bill for that too. And to think I was actually tempted once upon a time to take the pub on when the post became available. I must have had a funny turn! Or too much sun. I wonder if Humpf would even care if he knew that our 11th hour relief who had the misfortune to get lumbered with the pub over Easter last year actually paid staff out of her own pocket to work because it was so busy and he absolutely would not budge on the staff hours. I think she only just came out of it with some wages, but I do know he cost her a fortune. Care? Probably not. He hasn't got a compassionate bone in his body.  >:( >:(

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Re: "I used to work for Sam Smiths"
« Reply #5 on: Mar 13 - 2009 »
God only knows how much he's wiped off the value of the company and how much revenue he's lost/ losing. But I can say this with absolute conviction. I'm bloody glad I don't work for him any more.  >:( >:(

As Mr H Smith has declared at the tribunal that they are having some cash-flow difficulties, and if their bank were to read these posts, they'd probably withdraw the brewery's overdraft facilities, which is probably their cash flow working capital.

And we all know - there's only one person to blame! (Well maybe more than one if you consider that Oliver as co-Director, seems to be letting his brother destroy their business).
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Re: "I used to work for Sam Smiths"
« Reply #6 on: Mar 28 - 2009 »
It amazes me that Sams has any managers left. I keep hearing stories of HS & his incompetence.

Mr Smith if you do read these messages as i'm sure you do. Do you ever question the decisions you have made. I have trained managers & one by one they have left your employment. Most of these people were hard working honest & caring.
Being a manager is not just about spending every working hour cleaning, cooking, behind the bar & keeping your money safe.
Every pub is it's own community, with people that care about "their pub"  your actions are one by one destroying these communities. Then all you are left with are empty shells, with no one that cares.
Good people are hard to come by, one day you will realise this.Then perhaps you will allow your managers to manage!!!!     

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« Reply #7 on: Apr 13 - 2009 »
Hi I am an ex sams manager me and my husband worked for the tyrant for 14 years and the thanks we got was we were sacked last summer and we are one of the couples currently in the middle of a court case. I really hope and pray we win but there are some things that he will never be able to compensate us for.  Many of us are on anti-depression tablets there have been 2 suicide attempts and a few are in ongoing counselling.  I wish any managers coming up behind us allthe luck in the world and dont forget there are jobs out there as we are nearly all back in employment and most are still in the trade

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 13 - 2009 »
My wife and I had 20 years at Sams what a wonderful company to work for,no hassle from area managers who were happy the majority of times with the sales. Then came the banning of all entertainment thats when the problems started,we saw trouble ahead and took retirement,am I glad we did,before we left hours were being slashed cleaning allowance hammered,quiz nights self funded etc.etc. I remember the world cup after TVs were taken out we did,nt have 1 customer in the pub on Englands opening game,well done Hump you really know how to keep your pubs empty.One would have thought he,d realise his mistake,but of course he,s always right.Good luck to all you managers in court I hope you hammer him and his tiny little mate.

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« Reply #9 on: Apr 29 - 2009 »
Is it true that Ian Daffern has now gone as well as Dave Beswick from Rochdale.
Also is it true Hump is (area manager) to all 80 ish pubs this side of the pennines
If true
WHAT A PLANK

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« Reply #10 on: Apr 29 - 2009 »
Is it also true that they can not get managers to work for them this side????
I have heard of pubs with staff running them . no training
Whatever happen to 10- 15 weeks training in a trainer pub????? ?

What is this man doing ?
How do you get some one commited. ha ha

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« Reply #11 on: Apr 29 - 2009 »
How do you get some one commited. ha ha

Obviously, with some difficulty  ;)
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 13 - 2009 »
Registered at last!

I was employed in the brewery for a number of years. I still have a few friends both in the brewery and offices so I will pass on any news I get.
It really saddens me to see how things are going. It used to be a good place to work and most of us felt proud to be making such a top class product.
When I started, Oliver was the one involved in the brewery. As some of you will recall, he would walk around the entire site every Monday morning, and EVERYONE would be addressed as Mr...... He was the owner. make no mistake, but I always felt he was a fair bloke. I have recently heard some tales from someone I know who was fairly high up in the office side which seems to confirm this.
I believe the whole family were of the old money type. Some may say a little eccentric. You never saw a Rolex down New Street. It would be fair to say they invented dressing down days. Oliver with holes in his shoes, Humphrey in frayed collars, Charlotte with a Barbour you could see through. Honestly. Nothing wrong with that, though, in my opinion.
Family feuds were legendary. Apparently Rosamund would have them in an office and really go to town on them. I am told they left her office like children who had just left the headmaster. Perhaps that is where Hump gets his temper from? I am told he has launched himself over his desk at terrified female office staff on more than one occasion. But I believe that cost him a lot of money on one occasion.

More to follow.

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« Reply #13 on: Jun 13 - 2009 »
Registered at last!


I'm sorry about the difficulties you've had registering at this site, but glad you could finally join us.  :)

More to follow.

Looking forward to it!  ;)
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 13 - 2009 »
Good to have you with us beermaker.
Good to have you back too, Admin, your silence and the websites problems were starting to worry me