Author Topic: Managers sacked & locks changed at 'Nellies' in Beverley  (Read 4234 times)

Offline minsterman

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It was Groundhog Day at Nellies yesterday!!!

Completely out of the blue, it was revealed yesterday that the Managers of the White Horse Inn, (Nellies) Beverley - who had just stocked out for a two week holiday have been given the boot via the telephone.

The Management couple at one of Sam's reputed 'flag ship' venues, took over from a very successful and popular couple who were also suddenly dismissed for not adhering to the new short staff hours, back in February this year. They in turn had taken over from long-term Manager Anna, who got out before the grim reaper moved in.

Whilst the sacking was sudden - it was not totally unexpected, as the couple, despite confidently saying that they could easily cope with the restrictive staff hours, only seemed to achieve this by running down the popularity of the place, and therefore having to serve (and tidy up from) less customers.

As soon as they moved in, they had the popular upstairs room closed on a weekend, which permanently saw off a lot of custom. The Manager was also visibly drunk whilst working on many occasions (probably due to the pressures of minimum staff). Often other rooms were closed early, and chairs stacked up, prior to time being called - presumably to aid in getting things all cleared away within the minimum staff hours available.

I just hope Mr Smith seriously considers the allocated staffing hours, based on the pubs uniqueness - many open fires to maintain, many gas lights to keep an eye on in many rooms, a large upstairs area with limited access for clearing glasses etc.

The place (my local) is fantastic - but for all of the care and money Mr Smith has put in to the lovely old place - it's a shame when the place must struggle with its staffing hours. In the past, popular management (such as the previous John and Jo Sharpe) got extra assistance with glass tidying up from regulars. However the ones just sacked, initially didn't make many friends or win much support.

Amazingly, the manageress just sacked, was recently heard to say that despite what people said, they had no problems with Mr Smith, and in fact liked him! I some how think her opinion may have changed by now. Saying that, she may be happier if they find a new venue to manage with more realistic expectations of their managers/staff regarding allocated working hours.

Regarding the sacking; information is still sketchy - as it only happened sometime yesterday afternoon from what I can gather (4th November, 2009).

It would seem that the managers (John and Tracy Smith - yep, a John Smith managing a Sam Smiths pub!!!) were informed by phone, shortly after stocking out for a two-week holiday. I don't yet know what reason was given, but I hear that at the same time, a locksmith from Sorrils, was on site changing the locks!

The place is currently being managed by one of the regular staff, a decent chap, who has a personal license (lucky!). A friend who spoke with him, has just told me that all he knows is that he is currently responsible for the stock, and running the place until the 18th, and that Humphs is due to see him sometime today.

One thing that had seemed a bit strange of late, was the alleged insistence by the manageress (Tracy), that their business according to the books, was 'up' on the same time last year - which seemed a bit strange, as the place was most certainly emptier when I've been in. Also from speaking to other regulars who attend at different times to myself, it would appear that they have observed the same - a quieter pub.

Despite John and Tracy not being anywhere near as popular as previous management - I still can't help feeling sorry for them, and the way in which they've been booted out. I don't even know if they've got anywhere to go. I would imagine it's ruined their holiday plans. And from what I can ascertain, all of their property is still in the pubs flat - which only has one access point, through the pub itself!

So it will be interesting to see what happens next. It will also be interesting to see if the meager allocation of staff hours has had anything to do with it.

Our biggest worry is that we'll end up with yet another clueless eager couple, who succumb to the same unfortunate end. Meanwhile the pubs regular clientel, remains in decline - despite the peaked increase during the short raine of the previous couple, John and Jo.

So if you are reading this Mr Humphrey - why not bring back John and Jo Sharpe - and allow the venue to be run with a realistic amount of staffing hours. Or why not run it yourself for a little while - and see first had, what the place needs, to be run successfully - I guarantee you would get the full support of the regulars - and who know's you may even enjoy it!  :-*
« Last Edit: Nov 5 - 2009 by minsterman »
These are sad times :(

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i have a little more info minsterman. Apparently the ex manager john has been telling people that he was sacked because "we were told by humphrey smith that we have cost him ?10k since we've been here because we didn't short serve our customers the 5%". if this is true, then is humphs forcing his managers and staff to steal from us customers, under the threat of being booted out if they dont do what they say?

i have spoken to a friend who reckons that humphs can get away with the 5% because of a head. but as my mate says, if you paid for ?20 petrol, and was told you only got ?19 worth cos they could - well i think there would be some fuss

also heard that john ex manager and his missus are trying to find somewhere to live  :o so suppose they wont be in a rush to get their gear out of the pub

still i don't hold much faith in what the ex managers say, as they seem to have a different reality on the truth.
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Whatever the ex manager(s) are saying, and even if Humphs told them that, it could have just been a convenient excuse. We may never know.
These are sad times :(

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This 5% that they cheat you out of, don't they have line glasses anymore to stop that.

Offline Alpine Drinker

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 :o  :o LINED GLASSES  :o  :o
That would have humphrey twitching even more,
As the law is, it is not illegal to free pour into a lined vessel
Generally lined oversize glasses are used where metered dispense is used.
Interesting point about petrol
I used to know a petrol station manager who ran his car for free on the surplus of his petrol station a pennies worth per customer soon adds up over a week hence humphreys insistance on his 5%
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 :( Like i said some time ago if you go on holiday you don't know what your coming back to, if indeed a job, business or your home. Sacked  by phone is that legal ?

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Sacked  by phone is that legal ?

When you are as wealthy as Humphs - 'legal' doesn't really matter!

Still - I suppose it's better than by SMS text (as has happened previously with other businesses - as appeared in the media!)

Oops! Probably giving Humphs some idea's here! ::)

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Like i said some time ago if you go on holiday you don't know what your coming back to

Who know's it may be a ploy to persuade employee's never to take a holiday!   ;)
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Are you saying Max that because Humph is rich he can do what the hell he likes.

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Are you saying Max that because Humph is rich he can do what the hell he likes.

In a nutshell - yes!!

I know it's sad, and shouldn't be that way, but when you have so much wealth, you can afford the best legal assistance to get around things through legal loop holes - or simply run into the ground any legal challenger with less financial resources. You can also bribe, and buy-off / pay-off.

Time and time again, Humphs gets his own way (in the end), and many a local authority have given up a legal battle - simply because they can no longer justify using tax payers money - just to win a fight. For Humphs - its a case of 'how ever much it costs' to get his own way. Principals, decency, compassion are not words to be found anywhere within the Humphrey Smith's Dictionary - or at least that's how it seems from where I'm standing.

If you have money in this country - you have power - and with power you can walk - no - in fact trample over other less wealthy law-abiding citizens.

However - rest assured - that even the most powerful have at least one achillies heel - and with a little intelligence and planning - even the wealthy can fall - big style!!  ;)

What goes around - comes around!
« Last Edit: Nov 6 - 2009 by Max »
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It's strange he will go to all this trouble with legal fees just so he can win a case yet he wont spend the money on a decent pair of shoes, it's baffling.

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However - rest assured - that even the most powerful have at least one achillies heel - and with a little intelligence and planning - even the wealthy can fall - big style!!  ;)

What goes around - comes around!
What a tantalising, enigmatic note to tease us with! I really do hope your dark hints are going to lead to this increasingly unpleasant man reaping some of what he has been sowing recently, but in the mean time, am I the only person who feels it becoming necessary to think about personally boycotting Sam Smiths products?

Like many people, I read this site regularly, get a great sense of injustice in the process, but feel powerless to do anything about it.

Without going into details, I have tried to persue a certain avenue in relation to Mr Humpfrey Smith, the fairness of which I'm certain most people would agree with, only to be told by the institution in question that they simply daren't take action - their lawyers are aware of his litigious history and despite the justice of the case, as a result he does indeed get away with it. This cannot be right, so until such time as something changes, I am considering no longer buying his products. A futile jesture possibly, but I feel I want to do SOMETHING. Am I alone in thinking like this? 

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Some might not fancy any other beer.

Offline alfiemarley

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Most people drink more than one kind of beer.

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A boycott of Sams products would only work if the Smiths cared about what their customers think. The problems as I see it are:
1) I doubt if 1% of Sams customers know about this website and even if they did, they won't change their drinking habits.
2) Would Humphrey admit he was wrong if no-one went into any of his pubs?
3) I would feel a bit of a hypocrite boycotting Sams now, having carried on drinking in one of the pubs from which a manager involved in the recent tribunal was sacked.

Niice idea but.........

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i hope the managers that were sacked get there pay and bond.  as he will not pay me or my wife.